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AjayTele
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PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2008 3:07 am    Post subject: Welcome to the Gibson Bunker... Reply with quote

Now that I can post some photos, I guess I'd better show off some Gibsons, this being Gibson-Talk an' all...

Welcome to the bunker...


Why don't we start with a nice Alpine White Double Neck...


or maybe a 1990 '57 RI Les Paul Custom


and lastly, a 1983 "The Vee"
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vertigo
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PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2008 6:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The good ol' Gibson bunker... looking good so far Wink
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herb
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PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2008 11:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice bunker ya got there! Wink Nice guitars! Cool Cool
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SAguitar
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PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2008 12:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bee-y00t-ee-full, Ajay! Cool

And feel like you can't post some Teles here too. They are well respected and much loved! Very Happy

Stay tuned,
Stan
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AjayTele
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PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2008 1:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Time for some more?

Gibson 60's Classic Les Paul


Gibson Les Paul Studio in Alpine White/Gold


Gibson SG Standard


Gibson SG Faded Special (with the crescent moon inlays)
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SAguitar
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PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2008 1:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Sigh!"


Those are definitely some delicious eye candies, Ajay. I don't suppose they can play or sound as good as they look though, eh?
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AjayTele
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PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2008 2:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually the SG Faded Special is a good player. Unfortunately, I can't really say the others are good players... Rolling Eyes

Funnily enough, some of my best "player" Les Pauls are Japanese copies, especially the bolt on neck, 70s Ibanez LPs. They are great (they will appear later in this thread, I guess...)

A couple more? Why not. Wink

Gibson Les Paul Junior


Gibson Les Paul "Special"


Actually, thinking a bit more about it, both of these two are pretty good players also, with thier P90s an' all.
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PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2008 2:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes. Spoken like a man who truly understands a Telecaster. Cool
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AjayTele
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PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2008 2:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laughing

Yes, Gibbos are sure strange beasts. There seems to be a much wider gap between "players" and "junk" with Gibsons. This is just not the case with Fenders, they are far more consistent in playing quality, I feel.

Of course for me, this doesn't sit well with the fact that most Gibsons are twice the price of their Fender rivals. Shocked Probably why I have only recently started filling the holes in my Gibbo collection, because the prices have come down quite a lot. Cool

All I can say is that a Gibbo which is actually a "player" is usually a very nice guitar indeed, but it seems you have to go through a whole bunch to find a good one... Rolling Eyes
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herb
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PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2008 2:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Every Gibson can be made into a "player", you just need to either know how to set one up yourself or know a tech that knows how to properly set one up. Set neck guitars are much more finicky about adjustment than the bolt on "toys". But once dialed in; I have always found them vastly superior in playability. The only guitar I have ever played that played better than my Gibsons is my Carvin. Cool Cool
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AjayTele
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PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2008 3:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Herb wrote:
Every Gibson can be made into a "player", you just need to either know how to set one up yourself or know a tech that knows how to properly set one up. Set neck guitars are much more finicky about adjustment than the bolt on "toys". But once dialed in; I have always found them vastly superior in playability. The only guitar I have ever played that played better than my Gibsons is my Carvin. Cool Cool


Herb, I guess that may be part of my problem, I have learned how to setup the "toys" because of my more regular interaction with them and conversely haven't spent a lot of time on fiddling with my Gibsons. Yet, my bolt on neck Ibanez LPs and the bolt on neck(s) double neck SG are both great players as they are.

Do you have any theories on why the set neck would be so much more "sensitive" to setup than bolt ons? To me that doesn't make a lot of sense, unless of course the angle of the neck to the guitar in the bolt on is more easily adjusted, compared to the set neck being whatever it is when manufactured, some being better than others. Wink
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PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2008 4:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is no neck "angle" to adjust on a set neck. It's permanent. All adjustment is in the truss rod and the wood of the neck. You can shim a bolt on to get a better neck angle and not have to tweak the truss rod as much. Also the body of the guitar itself can affect what the neck does because it can transfer heat, humidity, and it's own contortions as a result of them to the neck. But once it's dialed in; it is also less likely to move or change because everything is attached as a unit which gives it more stability. I don't think I've had to adjust the neck on my 355 since I got it set the way I wanted in 1986. It was a mess when I brought it home from the guitar show where I bought it in 1985.
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AjayTele
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PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2008 4:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Herb wrote:
There is no neck "angle" to adjust on a set neck. It's permanent. All adjustment is in the truss rod and the wood of the neck. You can shim a bolt on to get a better neck angle and not have to tweak the truss rod as much. Also the body of the guitar itself can affect what the neck does because it can transfer heat, humidity, and it's own contortions as a result of them to the neck. But once it's dialed in; it is also less likely to move or change because everything is attached as a unit which gives it more stability. I don't think I've had to adjust the neck on my 355 since I got it set the way I wanted in 1986. It was a mess when I brought it home from the guitar show where I bought it in 1985.


Yes, I do understand the mechanics of the neck, I guess what I was alluding to was that some set neck guitars may be made with the neck at an angle where the truss rod just can't overcome a poorly angled neck, leading to some guitars being dogs, no matter what you do in setup. Wink
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PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2008 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That can happen, but it's rare (except in original Gretsch's. It was REAL common for those!). You can get the neck reset if that happens, but it ain't exactly cheap (unless you do it when the guitar is in warranty). I bought a Tele Custom new back in 1968. No matter what I did to that guitar, I couldn't make it play well. The pickups were also very microphonic. I sold it around 1970 for $50. The guy I sold it to was a first class luthier and he couldn't do anything with it, either. He wound up cannibalizing everything except the neck - which he threw away. Really soured me on Teles for a lot of years after that. So it can happen to any guitar, set neck or bolt on. Wink
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AjayTele
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PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2008 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't get me wrong, I'm not specifically picking on Gibson...

There are obviously lemons in all mass produced items, even modern ones, so it's not surprising about your Tele story. Wink
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